lobby, and hagel couldn't. >> right. and he also asked name one stupid thing that we supposedly did because of that pressure, which was another one of his allegations. and what that exchange did -- and lindsey was extremely skilled in doing this -- was put out the idea that this guy simply flaps his guns. he says a bunch of stuff, he doesn't have support, he won't be able to support it later on. this is the guy you want for secretary of defense? it was really a rather devastating moment. >> and what's amazing, larry, is he had to know this question wuss cowas coming, right? didn't you sit down with your pepper and come up with some kind of stock answer about what you were going to say but supposedly don't believe anymore? >> michelle, what was telling is the white house immediately let it be known, we did prep him. which is a telltale sign that we're not taking the blame for this. >> i think when he says that he's not a policymaker of defense, that's the obama style. look, hillary clinton did a lot of traveling. she's a